No one cares about WHs and balancing a ship around WH use is dumb

Good.

You're not supposed to be able to take these things on easily.
It's so incredibly frustrating to see people desire to small-gang capitals worth 10-15 times your fleet and training efforts.

why this project was closed down? indeed current game hulls don't have much contest in spaceship stuff, but i bet it can done even better. it's all about ideas. we need ask erebus pilots do they interested to change ship in all cost? new color and low slot for 300 bil. ISK? i guess no, but new interesting hull like daredevil's would be op motivation

HICs are ****** too TBH - 90% web + HAWs = very dead HIC. Much better bringing 60 Rifters with points (at least you can rep them).

That's a **** poor excuse Cade and you know it. If they want to hype up a launch of a new set of hulls then part of that is in the development of exactly that - new hull models. While the release of t2 ships can be expected to share a model with their t1 variant with a simple reskin, what we are looking at here is supposed to be what makes up the capital fleet of a pirate faction. Something that should be unique to them and make them stand out compared to the rest. If there was ever a reason for new models to be designed this would be it.

As far as the price points go, my only concern really is the Vehement. That thing is going to be stuck in a 5 minute cycle where it can only receive local reps. So unless you gave it some massive OP local rep bonus, or give it a unique passive to receive reps while in siege good luck ever seeing anyone actually field one with that price tag for anything outside of a POCO or offline stick. Since those bonuses are obviously ridiculous I'd suggest lowering it to maybe double the cost of a current dread and leaving it at that.

sure, 90% webs are crazy broken overpowered, but then so are 60% webs

The HAW Vehement will wreak havoc against the frigate menace.

2 60% webs and a couple of painters lets pretty much anything hit pretty much anything. want to avoid damage from anti-capital/structure weapons in your cruiser? you can't, there's some ships on field with webs, so you die instantly

That is what allows titans to get dread-like damage bonuses without going into siege. I believe that normal titans get 900%.

Question to CCP:

Except for wormholes, what is the incentive to buy the faction dread that has to commit to a field without reps for 5 (10?) minutes when one could instead buy a regular supercarrier for the same price that has less of a chance of dieing?

Yea I'm sure that somewhere, people will use them simply because they can, and while players might find a role for them I'm more wondering what CCP actually intended them to be used for.

No no you don't get what I mean. I don't mean a specific intention, I mean in what way are they designed to have enough benefits over their counterparts to justify their use in any situation except for fringe cases? CCP wouldn't create an underpowered ship just because they think it'd be "cool" and then hope that the players can figure out a reason or two to justify using it, so I'm curious in what way they intend there to be justifiable benefits over other ships.

Nobody said that they will be easy to obtain.

Why should I bother when I have tasty implants worth 2.3-2.5k isk per LP available on the store instead? Those always sell, and I can buy quite a few after an evening of running Anomic missions

Whats up with the production cost on the dreadnought?

30-40b? You could buy a super for that money and be ten times more effective.
And its still outclassed by a nag or phoenix.

Consider 2 or 3 times the mats for a moros, please.

That's not an excuse though for frankly rediculous costs, thats like if CCP made a ship that had a really cool ship model but **** stats and then backed up the reason for making it with "We thought it's cool, it's not even intended for common use". There isn't a point to making something if you fully expect it to never have an "effective" (key word their) use.

Yeah, introducing ships no one will used because they cost far too much are are outright worse then current ships of its class is a good idea.

The moros is in a bad position in the meta right now. A small bit of dps and web bonus isnt really going to help it.

The phoenix and the nag outclass the other two in every regard.

And **** fielding a fleet of vehement just uses Nyxs at that point

I mean, you can completely deadspace fit a t1 cruiser and it might perform the same as a battleship, except it'll be 4 times the cost as the battleship and there'll be no reason to use it. Granted, there's no reason not to use it as the only thing against it is that it's not "cost effective" but people still aren't going to shell out for it when you can buy a standard battleship.

That is the point I am getting at. There is an alternative ship you can use (supercarrier) which performs much better in most ways for less cost. The "cost is not a factor" argument works only may I repeat only if there is not a better alternative for the same price.

As far I can see, the webber bonus is NOT for Heavy Stasis Grapplers? Right?

I think you are missing the point

I take that it's more of bragging rights to have one but conpared to the revenant it cant stand up at all. The sc has one thing this ship doesnt it can apply massive dps at long distances. This dread can't. You drop this in field and you're either getting countered by more dreads,sc,or titans. As for the price difference on the 2 ships the revenant i agree with as the bpc is rare to obtain. You're talking about a dread bpc that can be farmed therfore competition will be extremely high. The buyers can literally force the cost of these so low that it isnt worth building for the measly 6b or so in profits you'll make. I can build a titan for right at 57b and flip it for 95-110b. The build time will roughly be the same on parts but only a difference in time to build a hull. But sonce its seeded by npc availability of the bpc will go up cost to produce versus profits will suck. Youre better off building citadels. If it had its own new killer model then it could sway a bit more to the cost of things. As of now they took a preexisting model, added a ship skin and changed it's bonuses. Hardly worth ccp saying take a look at these awesome new capitals that we didnt put a lot of thought into and let's just change bonuses and make them cost 50b.

All I'm really saying is for cost to obtain it's rather disappointing that we didn't get a new ship model to go with it.

I wasn't expecting new ship designs for serpentis.
Fully expecting the Gurtisa capitals to be stolen caldari hulls as well (CCPlease make it a carrier not a dread for them..)

Excited to see what we get from the nations that don't use standard hulls, Sansha/Angels/BR for sure.
Balanced legion they already showed off the concept for their dread (which looks awesome)

I do not know if anyone has asked yet, so I will:

CCP, once the Shadow of Serpents event is complete, what means will be introduced for the acquisition of new Serpentis capital ship blueprints? Will they be exclusives to Serpentis Loyalty Points stores, or will there be some plan for there to be drops of Capital Ship blueprint copies from destroyed Capital Ships, just as is normally done with Sansha Nation Supercarriers in the Incursions?

@CCP Larrakin,

Thank you for this terrible event. As well intentioned as it may have been, you guys have effectively excluded every person who has a job or anything less than 10 hours a day to devote to this event. If you hope for any type of reward, forget about the top 10 scores getting Super BPC's, you need to abandon all other aspects of the game and grind these tedious sites over and over with extremely unbalanced progression. This is not an equal opportunity reward system. There was a post on reddit that got it exactly right in that there is absolutely no risk for those running these sites but the rewards are insane if you grind enough. There is no luck of the drop on this one for accelerators (unless i've missed something) I unfortunately have to work a 65 hour week to make ends meet. Now im not sitting here trying to cry and say "ccp give me free stuff easily". What i am saying is level the playing field to those of us who cant spend 10 hours a day or more playing eve. CCP as a whole seems to be taking the mentality that those of us with jobs can afford to buy plex from them to get what we want in game. I'll be the first to say that i have already spent a tidy sum on plex when injectors came out and the likes. I love eve and have made many friends in game so it has been worth it to me but there has to be a line. dump the points progession system and make all the goodies random drops. level the playing field. thats all i ask. CCPlease

I feel you missed the point. The fact that that you can move freely in high sec is not so easy for all of us. im in a null alliance with an active war and we live in deep null. My risk in running these sites in high sec where they are more abundant is obviously much greater than yours. Also, Getting the gold crate or anything like that was not my major grievance. It was that the only people who will be able to be the top scoring in this even are the no lifers. I understand i could make more isk ratting (kind of), but new content is supposed to be exciting and accessible to all players and the fact is this even just isnt. Please take other situations than your own into consideration before saying im completely wrong.

*atm it's like "6 sites in system with a hostile in it, 2m isk per site is not worth the risk, let's move on"

After a day of gringing those sites it feels like it's not even worth undocking for this event. Guessing Your experience is light years better.

Funny, much of eve is based around the more commonly found, casual player.

I personally believe the top 10 places for this event have already been filled, rewards won - But if CCP were honest and announced it, the event would be over and those slightly disappointed with it would become more so.
Wouldn't bode well for future event attempts. Then management of this one doesn't either so.. .. ..

"What else do you expect" - That would be, an event where everyone participating, from "no lifer" to "full time job and family" has the opportunity to gain the major "prizes". An event that doesn't punish those who actually run the sites by allowing any random who warps in to not only steal the often meagre reward but also gain completion points for the site.
I could go on but there is no point, the event wasn't designed to be anything other than what it is - A nice little time waster for the majority.

Scope network - ON / "OFF"

Hi Space Devs,

could you please invest resources on iterations for the stuff you already added, instead of chasing the new shiny

Regards, a Freelancer

edit ps: where is the T3 cruiser re-balance